Thursday, July 21, 2011
How Texts Work--Kantz
"Make a list of the things Kantz says students don't know, misunderstand, or don't comprehend about how texts work. Judging from your own experience, do you think she's correct? How many of the things she lists do you feel you understand now?" (D&W 85). [Due: End of Day, Thursday]
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1) texts are misread as narratives
ReplyDelete2) Students view facts statically rather than arguments
Looking back on my experiences, I have found that this is true. When I started high school, I started out making these mistakes myself. In the second half of my high school years, I was able to work on the second problem that Kantz mentions. I was taught to look at the perspective that the source was coming from. This was especially true for all of the writing that I had to do for my history classes. However, then and now, I still make the first mistake of looking at sources as narratives.
1. students misunderstand sources because they read them as stories
ReplyDelete2. many students expect their sources to tell the truth
3. many students do not understand that facts are a kind of claim
I think this is true for some students. It just depends on the level of writing and critical thinking the student is at. It can also be true that only some of these may apply to a student. I personally had these problems early in high school but have slowly worked on it and will continue to work on becoming a better research writer.
Kantz says that students commonly misunderstand the following about texts:
ReplyDelete(pg. 72)
1) Many students read their sources as stroies. They "combine their story-reading strategies with their studying strategies." Students don't distinguish between the two, they make them the same. When I am reading whatever it is, I make it a story, I dont see it anyother way. Which now I understand is wrong.
2) Many students believe what they are reading, they dont question it, they just assume it's all true. Without realizing it may be the authors view or that it may just be a claim.
I would actually consider myself one of these students, beacause I believe everything that I read, I dont make a counter argument, because I feel wrong to question.
3) Many students do not realize that these facts may be claims that are posed as "the truth." Once again I am one of these students ,I expect everything that I read to be true.
After reading these 3 misunderstandings that students commonly make, I now understand them as I can relate to them. Is she right in everything that she feels, or that she is claiming to be true, well we can each be our own judge of that.
1. When students read they read as it is a story
ReplyDelete2. The students assumed everything they read was the truth and correct.
3. Most students do not understand that most the stuff they read are a claim and the claim is to try and persuade them.
I do agree that she is right in what she says that we do because I still do it even though I know it's not the right way to approach readings. I understand all 3 things that she list because I look back at everything I read and see that I just went with everything the author said and didn't question it or see if anybody challenged their opinions.
(Wardle pg. 72)
ReplyDelete1. Students misunderstand what they read because they read them as stories.
2. Many students expect for their sources to tell the truth; they make things up by writing persuasively.
3. Students don’t understand the facts are a kind of claim.
From my past experiences I agree with Kantz with what she discusses in her article. Since the beginning when I first started reading I always read as if it were telling a story. As I got to middle school the books became more difficult to understand because they became more advanced. Every year the books I read are becoming more advanced and difficult to understand. I always thought from what I read in history book they were informing me with facts and not opinions. My essays always were informative and not argumentative like they should have been. Although I’ve been taught not to read or write as informative I still have a tendency of doing so.
The list that Kantz says that students misunderstand are quoted in pg 72.
ReplyDeleteFist of all, she says that "Students misunderstand sources because they read them as stories."
Second, "Many students expect their sources to tell the truth they equate persuasive writing in this context with making things up."
Third, " Students to no understand that facts are a kind of claim and are often used persuasively in so-called objective writing to create an impression."
From the 3 points i can relate to them because theirs times i just read papers like if they where stories and don't even check if the source is reliable or not. Kantz it totally right about the way she thinks because theirs people that do think that way.
-Students misread texts as narratives.
ReplyDelete-Students take a fact and believe it without question.
-Students do not acknowledge that the 'facts' are actually claims, meant to influence and convince them of a 'truth' that may not necessarily be true.
I do believe we as students are all guilty of at least one of the listed problems. I feel I associate myself to the idea of accepting facts without question. Particularly history textbooks. They're usually made to place the US in a flattering light. Like the acquisition of the southern land from Mexico, it's actually a pretty horrible moment in history, but the textbooks sugar coat or completely disregard what happened. I'm positive Mexico's rendition of the events are dramatically different. So with that in mind, it is important not to just accept a statement, as there could be many variations to it, and only by viewing them all can one come to a solid conclusion.
1) Sources read are often misunderstood as a narrative story.
ReplyDelete2) Students often believe the sources they gather information from, so they never questions whether the information is actually truth.
3) Often students don't realize that their sources are filled with 'claims' they may be said to be true without actually being proven true.
I find myself relating to these three mistakes, I tend to this. I automatically sum that everything I read is true. I realize now that I have a choice as with any other thing. I can choose to believe it is true or not. I still read everything as though I am reading a narrative, and as my texts improve it becomes harder for me to understand. I do know that it is not the right to read, but it is something that I simply do because it seems easier.
On page 72 Kantz states:
ReplyDelete- "Many students like Shirley misunderstand sources because they read them as stories."
-"Many students expect their sources to tell the truth; hence, they equate persuasive writing in this context with making things up."
-" Many students do not understand that facts are a kind of claim and are often used persuasively in so-called objective writing to create an impression."
I know for a fact she is correct because I myself have done every one of those. Mostly because I have a tendency to get lazy and not want to really do more work or think too much about it. Now I know that if i want to create a better and more adequate writing I should push myself to do more and think twice about what I consider facts and stories.
On page 72 paragraph 17, Kantz list three things that she said students commonly misunderstand:
ReplyDelete1) Many students misunderstand sources because they read them as stories
2) Many students expect their sources to tell the truth; hence, they equate persuasive writing in this context with making things up.
3) Many students do not understand that facts are a kind of claim and are often used persuasively in so-called objective writing to create an impression.
I do agree and understand what she is saying. It's sad to say it but I kind of still do that, after all if someone went thru the trouble of writing a book you would think they are telling the truth, especially if those books are being used in learning institutions. I have to admit that is very rare that after I read a book I stop to think if someone has argued about its material. On the other hand I have argued/questioned documentaries on the Sunday’s newspaper. I guess that saying that goes “not everything you read is true” is true :)
Kantz says students don’t know, misunderstand, or don’t comprehend about how texts work because: (Wardle pg. 72)
ReplyDelete1. Texts are misread as stories.
2. Students expect sources to tell the truth; they are persuaded by the writing.
3. Students don’t understand that facts are a kind of claim to create an impression.
I’d have to agree with Kantz, I believe most people do 3 out of 3. I myself would have to say that I’ve done it, actually, while reading this article I thought it was a story, then as reading deeper into it I realized it wasn’t. I guess we just have to be able to depict things better and understand what we are reading, not just read it.
1. Students misunderstand sources because they read them as stories
ReplyDelete2. Many students exepct their sources to tell the truth...
3. Many students do not understand that facts are a kind of claim...
I feel that everything she describes is true because I do read everything like a story. By understanding these common behaviors, I can learn to prevent them.
1. Many students misunderstand sources because they read them as stories.
ReplyDelete2. Many students expect their sources to tell the truth.
3. Many students do not understand that facts are kind of a claim.
4. Many students believe we are able to write their paper in a single draft.
5. Students misread texts as narratives.
I can relate to all of these but the one i can relate to the most is many students expect their sources to tell the truth. I always believe that what i am reading is the truth but Kantz made me questions my doubt when he mentioned how many books can portray their own claims on how they agree things happen.
1- Failure to write original arguments
ReplyDelete2-Students read sources as stories
3-Students believe what they read as "truths"
4-Students are not clear about facts being similiar to claims.
All of these items are struggles I have dealt with personally. Sometimes its difficult to stop and ask yourself if what your reading is true, because if the flow of and logic are in a reasonable order, then a student can take the passage as a true claim.
Kantz states
ReplyDeleteStudents read resources like stories.
Students expect sources tell complete truth.
Students cannot tell the difference between truths and claims.
I agree mostly with these. Definitely with the first, because I am guilty of that one. The second I, at least, am aware of, but I do know that not all students are aware. To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what the last one is about.